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November 16, 2005

God Save the Queens

Asif Ali on July 22, 2006 06:21 AM EST writes:
I was hooked to her knowledgable personality and beyond :questionable" authority over catholic churchs' attitude towards human (natural) sexuality, the momenbt I purchased her book called Eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. Her Erudite and Illuminating writings are worth not only reading but studying too.
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Mark on December 5, 2005 11:41 PM EST writes:
Like Block, above, I always feel the need to remind people that the Lot story was probably more about the importance of hospitality laws - vital in a desert society - than about homosexuality. What made the people of Sodom evil was not that they wanted to have sex with the young men/angels, but that they wanted to rape visitors.
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Göran Koch-Swahne on November 23, 2005 03:47 PM EST writes:
It might interest you, that contrary to general belief, mandatory celibacy (Lateran II 1139) never entered some church Provinces, amongst them Iceland and Sweden/Finland.

The last Roman Bishop of Iceland fell in battle with his 3 sons...

And in Sweden, following a failed attempt by William of Sabina to outlaw priest's wives and sons in 1248, a general dispensation was "granted" by Alexander IV on the request of the Archbishop of Upsala, for his diocese in 1258, and for the whole Province in 1259.
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block on November 18, 2005 12:30 PM EST writes:
"Imagine, in the 20th century, a pope re-iterating a vicious ancient belief that it is better to give one’s own daughters to violation than it is to permit homosexual acts. It giveth me the creeps!"

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I do not believe that was what the pope (or the Bible) was talking about. In Lot's story, he doesn't offer his daughters because he hates the idea of homosexual acts taking place, but because he was concerned for the well being of his visitors.

However, the pope's statements seemed to be more directed to our motivations for sex (that they should be positive, constructive). It still does not match well with the story of Lot's daughters, but the conflict is not over homosexuality, but the purpose of sex.
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